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Can they destroy the sun?
Topic Started: Jul 22 2013, 05:15 PM (2,111 Views)
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@ that Kid Buu thing: Making an explosion big enough to destroy the solar system when his only target was the Earth seems a little weird to me, just saying. Plus, doesn't it say in the Daiz somewhere that they condense their blasts so that the explosion is smaller, but much more powerful?
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That's true.

And Freeza needing to hit the core isn't a fact.
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Then they'd have to express a blast radius that would engulf the sun/solar system/ Galaxy, whatever we may be using and also keep up the specific level of ki density needed to actually destroy the object.

Something I have already made note of.

And how is Freeza needing to hit the core not a fact? We see Freeza, we see the his attack at whatever level it might have been, we see that the specific density of the attack when it hit the planet could not completely destroy it unless he hit the core.

That pretty much says that the specific density and/or size of ki used by Freeza when he fired the attack, could not blow up a planet of Namek's size unless it hit the core in some way.

Plus, why doesn't Gohan's KHH blow away the solar sytem. Cell's clearly was going to to create a blast radius and destroy everything in a single shot as people so proclaimed. By that logic, Gohan's KHH which should've been stronger should've done the exact same thing. Because Cell wasn't going to condense his ki into a fine point, he was going to blow everything away in a single shot.

Therefore, Gohan too should've blown everything away in a single shot.
Edited by EMIYA, Jul 25 2013, 12:09 AM.
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Things are being misconstrued, sir.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

Hey, all I am saying is that when you make such a huge statement and you don't have the feats to back it up, the statement itself is going to be questionable.
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But...perhaps you're looking at it through the wrong monacle.
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I don't think Cell actually says he's going to blow up the Solar System, just that he has enough power to.
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"I've gathered enough power to blow away the entire solar system" or something to that effect.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

It would depend on what you mean by "Blowing away" the solar system.

Does that mean.

1.) Just create a blast radius that will engulf the entire solar system?

2.) Hit a specific point, in this case the sun and let it engulf the solar system via supernova?

3.) Just keep the KHH going on and try to hit all the planets and sun in one move?

4.) Destroy all the objects in the solar system but not be talking about the distances between them

5.) It may not even mean blow away the solar system in one move. It just may mean I'm super ****ing powerful and after a few blasts here and there I'll blow away the solar system. Which would actually be viable to a good degree. Instead of trying to make some logic that Cell can produce a single blast that would destroy everything, it would be much easier to say he blew away the solar system with several attacks while still remaining truthful to the statement.

I'm under the impression that Ki and its density is like air. Get a bunch of air/ki together and you've got a strong compact area.

But when you enlarge the area of the Ki/air to keep up or increase its overall power, you need to add more ki/air into it. Otherwise You may get something that is vastly large but incredibly weak at the same time.
Edited by EMIYA, Jul 25 2013, 01:29 AM.
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Either way, he'd probably be destroying the sun at least.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

I'll accept destroying the sun and while I still question whether or not he could create a blast radius of that size, I'll let bygones be bygones and accept the possibility. Plus at the very least I'll accept maybe he could destroy the core of the sun, thus eventually destroying the sun itself.
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Chapter: 415 (DBZ 221), P3.2, P4.2
Context: while charging the Kamehameha
Cell: “I’ve already gathered enough ki power to blow away not only the Earth, but the solar system as well!”


That's his statement post-zenkai.

Chapter: 410 (DBZ 216), P8.4
Cell: “Take this! It's a full-force Kamehameha! If you dodge, the Earth will be blown away…! You have to take it head-on…!”


That's before his self-destruction.

Chapter: 400 (DBZ 206), P14.3
Context: as Goku charges his Kamehameha
Cell: “Fuhahahaha! You won’t fire a Kamehameha from that position! If you fired, the Earth itself would be endangered!”

Chapter: 401 (DBZ 207), P2.3, P3.1
Piccolo: “It’s a Kamehameha…! Does Goku intend to fire a Kamehameha at full power!?”
Kuririn: “H-he won’t fire…! If he fired from that relative position, th-the Earth would be smashed…!”


That's from Super Saiyan Goku when fighting Cell.

Chapter: 352 (DBZ 158), P10.3-4
Context: after Vegeta tries to blast No.18, only managing to destroy a truck
No.18: “That blast just now wasn’t anywhere near your all.”
Vegeta: “Of course not…If I gave it my all, the entire Earth would be wiped out…”


That's from an absurdly weaker Super Saiyan Vegeta.

Just Cell's increase to full power shook the entire planet, similar to Goku's ascension to Super Saiyan 3. Fat Boo's Kamehameha took out 1/10th of the planet (which, correct me if I'm wrong since f*** math, would be just about 800 miles in diameter).

The crater produced by Boo's angry explosion was far deeper than anything Cell or Gohan produced, but it doesn't look much bigger. The crater from Vegeta's self-destruction was more or less the same size as Boo's.

Super Vegeta's Final Flash produced a much longer effect on the planet than the aforementioned beam duel.

Cell's self-destruction destroyed Kaio's planet while Vegeta's barely made a dent in Earth.

Hell, Goku specifically states that Gohan is holding back power in the beam struggle because he's afraid of damaging the planet. When Gohan goes all-out, he doesn't destroy the planet, yet it's clearly stated by a much weaker Vegeta against No.18 that if he went all-out he'd blow the planet up. Is Super Saiyan Vegeta from the android saga now more powerful than Super Saiyan 2 Raged Out Gohan?

These things aren't consistent.

EDIT: I was mistaken. It was one of Gohan's blasts that was deflected by Boo that went straight through the planet.

http://comic.dragonballcn.com/list/gain_1.php?fpp=10&did=0-0-32&fid=200
http://comic.dragonballcn.com/list/gain_1.php?fpp=10&did=0-0-32&fid=201

A simple ki blast effortlessly went through the entire planet. That's impressive.
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Jul 24 2013, 08:08 PM
Cell states he can blow up the solar system (Which we of course assume means in one shot) Creating a blast radius that will fill out the entire solar system.

Come 7 years later and Kid Boo who >>>>>>Zenkai Perfect Cell, completely unhinged chucks a blast at the Earth.

The explosion is only larger the planet earth and really no bigger than any other planetary explosions we've seen.

conclusion...Boo can't blow up the solar system in one shot, Cell certainly can't.

AT can say whatever he wants, if it interfere and/or contradicts with the context either now, later on or in a general sense, it's not true.

People really need to get over this whole someone says something and thus it has to be true. You need to look at both the statement, the feats and the context surrounding them and them come to a conclusion. AT may have the line said with the intention of it being true, but the context and feats surrounding it does not fit.

Likewise AT also says that Base Saiyans>Piccolo via Dabura.

And yet judging from most people Piccolo>Semi-Cell>>>Base Saiyans.

So you do agree that Base Saiyans>Piccolo right? Cause that's the statement in the manga.
What Kid Boo > Cell ?

Kid Boo concetrated his power in destroying Earth, not Solar System.

There is a diffrence, you know. Even Vegeta at 18 ki blast was stated to not be serious and if it was the whole planet would blow up.

The explosion was from Gohan and he concetrated his power in one burst, not for destroying Solar System.

Boo can blow it up and nothing contradicts it, just like AT.

AT never said that. They had powers suppresssed so don't think that i can fall for that logic.

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